I've been working with DreamWeaver and notice that the longer a file becomes the slower editing becomes. On a file about 40K or so editing becomes slow. On one about 150K editing becomes almost impossible. Any ideas of what is happening? The pages involved are mostly filled with text.

Thanks in advance for any info!

rick

This happens especially on pages with lots of server side script. If you want to speed things up for editing try going into the site definition and chganging the Application Server to None.

Failing that, dig deep and splash out on a top of the range dual procesor workstation with a Gig plus of RAM.

Bear in mind that pages over 40k will be slow over 56k and lower speed connections, so if your pages are getting up to 150k purely with client side text and images you might want to think about splitting them up into smaller chunks and making a series of sub-pages.

Regards

Owen.

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++This happens especially on pages with lots of server side script. If you want to speed things up for editing try going into the site definition and chganging the Application Server to None.++

Hi, Owen. No, not much server script here. Can't find that choice in the preferences menu! Is this a Ultra Dev choice?

I must say, this is a crippling problem with the product. I can't see why the editor's performance should be so poor during text entry!

Thanks for your help!

rick

Yes, it's a UD option in the Define Sites.

Are you using a particularly low spec PC? I use a PIII 600 with 512Mb of RAM and whilst it's not blisteringly quick it's acceptable.

What OS are you using? NT, 98? When was the last time you had a tidy up, defragmented the drive etc.

Regards

Owen.

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www.tdsf.co.uk/tdsfdemo

++Yes, it's a UD option in the Define Sites.++

Ok, I'm using Dreamweaver 4; it's not there.

++Are you using a particularly low spec PC? I use a PIII 600 with 512Mb of RAM and whilst it's not blisteringly quick it's acceptable.++

1.1 Gig AMD Athlon, 256K Ram. Drives all defragged.

Now, just for a test, I loaded this page into FrontPage 2000. No problem! Editing is quick and acceptable. A 150k file should not choke a product; I could see a multimegabyte file doing this.

There is something odd about all this. Does this happen to you as well? The editor slows to a crawl on larger files? Because this is a problem with the product, not your hardware.

Also, it's a pain that you can't seem to jump to a link from within a page a la Frontpage 2000.

rick

I have been having the exact same problem! I'm using a dual-processor, 733, with more than enough RAM, and if I have DW open, and go to a browser to preview a page, when I close the browser window it takes the site window 30 SECONDS to redraw itself!! AAAHHH! That does not serve for a very productive day!!!

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I have been having the exact same problem! I'm using a dual-processor, 733, with more than enough RAM, and if I have DW open, and go to a browser to preview a page, when I close the browser window it takes the site window 30 SECONDS to redraw itself!! AAAHHH! That does not serve for a very productive day!!!


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I have reproduced this problem on two machines, and with a new file. I created a plain file, no graphics or formatting, and copied some simple text. At about 900K editing in the file slowed. At about 1.2 meg editing the file became practically impossible as it had with the 150K file.

This must be the result of an internal operation within DW. Perhaps the result of maintaing an internal cache for undo? Display of the page? Please note that the other products I've been using for testing, such as HotMetal and FP 2000/2 can edit files this size with no problem.

rick

Dreamweaver is a WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get) program. Because of that when you tell him to open a document dreamweaver must do like IE. Read all the file and associate every tag to its code in the program so you can edit the text ad all that. Because of this web pages that you edit throught dreamweaver will need some time to load. To improve the performance use a fast machine like a PIII with 1 GHz and a lot of RAM.

Edited by - carlos5678 on 14 Jan 2002 22:31:50

++Dreamweaver is a WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get) program. Because of that when you tell him to open a document dreamweaver must do like IE. Read all the file and associate every tag to its code in the program so you can edit the text ad all that. Because of this web pages that you edit throught dreamweaver will need some time to load. To improve the performance use a fast machine like a PIII with 1 GHz and a lot of RAM.++

Hi, Carlos. I have a 1.1 gig machine, 256K.

This is a DW problem. The same files can be properly edited without this slowdown in FP and HotMetal.

rick

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++Dreamweaver is a WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get) program. Because of that when you tell him to open a document dreamweaver must do like IE. Read all the file and associate every tag to its code in the program so you can edit the text ad all that. Because of this web pages that you edit throught dreamweaver will need some time to load. To improve the performance use a fast machine like a PIII with 1 GHz and a lot of RAM.++

Hi, Carlos. I have a 1.1 gig machine, 256K.

This is a DW problem. The same files can be properly edited without this slowdown in FP and HotMetal.

rick
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Of course that what I am saying. Dreamweaver must read the whole file, asociate it with the code of the program that tells him how to edit it and show you the content. The slow speed is because Dreamweaver uses its own style for doing what I told before. That is not a bug.

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++Dreamweaver is a WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get) program. Because of that when you tell him to open a document dreamweaver must do like IE. Read all the file and associate every tag to its code in the program so you can edit the text ad all that. Because of this web pages that you edit throught dreamweaver will need some time to load. To improve the performance use a fast machine like a PIII with 1 GHz and a lot of RAM.++

Hi, Carlos. I have a 1.1 gig machine, 256K.

This is a DW problem. The same files can be properly edited without this slowdown in FP and HotMetal.

rick
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Of course that what I am saying. Dreamweaver must read the whole file, asociate it with the code of the program that tells him how to edit it and show you the content. The slow speed is because Dreamweaver uses its own style for doing what I told before. That is not a bug.
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I have to think it is. FP does not show this type of slowdown in WYWIWYG view, nor do other products. Only DW. Call it a bug, call it a "peformance" issue, it is crippling flaw in the product. It is becomming impossible for me to work with the product on a test site I built with it. I must use FP to edit pages.

rick

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FP tends to treat me as an idiot, the more I work with it, the bigger the chance I become one.
I'd rather use notepad than FP, I often do..

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FP tends to treat me as an idiot, the more I work with it, the bigger the chance I become one.
I'd rather use notepad than FP, I often do..


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Well, give HotMetal a try! A lot to like about the product. But, why not see if you can reproduce this problem? It's easy; just create some text and copy it. You should see the file editing start to slow at about 900K; at 1.2megs it will become impossible.

This translates into slowdowns on "normal: 40K files and impossible editing at 150K.

rick

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Well, give HotMetal a try! A lot to like about the product. But, why not see if you can reproduce this problem? It's easy; just create some text and copy it. You should see the file editing start to slow at about 900K; at 1.2megs it will become impossible.

This translates into slowdowns on "normal: 40K files and impossible editing at 150K.

rick


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Hi,
I agree editing in Dreamweaver is terribly slow (on my machine anyway), just like the FTP-feature it seems like Macromedia didn't put too much energy in it..

Mark.

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Well, give HotMetal a try! A lot to like about the product. But, why not see if you can reproduce this problem? It's easy; just create some text and copy it. You should see the file editing start to slow at about 900K; at 1.2megs it will become impossible.

This translates into slowdowns on "normal: 40K files and impossible editing at 150K.

rick


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Hi,
I agree editing in Dreamweaver is terribly slow (on my machine anyway), just like the FTP-feature it seems like Macromedia didn't put too much energy in it..

Mark.


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Can you reproduce the problem doing what I suggested?

rick

I agree that UltraDev is slow as hell. But there is other question that should be asked. How come you have file bigger then 100kb? Any file bigger then 50kb should be considered as possible 'I'll-need-to-do-it-again' page. If file is bigger then 100kb there is no doubt - DELETE+NEW FILE.
100kb + graphic + server processing + ...

Viktor Farcic

TalkZone Manager

Does anyone know which gives the greater performance boost to Ultradev, processor speed or memory?

Does anyone have an Athlon based machine? Any problems?

Regards

Owen.

Multiple Parameter UD4 / Access 2000 Database Search Tutorial:
www.tdsf.co.uk/tdsfdemo

I also see this slowdown on the Mac with very large text pages. "Clean up HTML" on pages like those mentioned takes such a long time, I can go and take a bath. I'm using a PB G3 with 320Mb RAM. I think it's inherent to Dreamweaver. Assigning more RAM to Dreamweaver (100Mb+) makes no difference.
As other people have pointed out, once your page gets up to about 50k you should call a halt, add a link and start a new one.

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I also see this slowdown on the Mac with very large text pages. "Clean up HTML" on pages like those mentioned takes such a long time, I can go and take a bath. I'm using a PB G3 with 320Mb RAM. I think it's inherent to Dreamweaver. Assigning more RAM to Dreamweaver (100Mb+) makes no difference.
As other people have pointed out, once your page gets up to about 50k you should call a halt, add a link and start a new one.


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Hi, Wil. Well, this problem shows up on 35K to 40K pages with heavy formatting. You're right most pages should not get that large, but this is nonetheless a serious bug in the product. This happens with no other editor I have used, and I'm not sure I can recommend Dreamweaver while this serious performance limitation exists.

I thought that the UPdate that came out would solve these issues, but they seem to be worse. My DWMX just hit 256 MEGS of RAM being used and Often uses 50% of my processing power this product is being to go downhill. I am using a Dual Pentimum with 1gig ram, etc etc.

--Los is a Ghost